When I saw the headline of the letter to the editor in the March 28 newspaper (“Trump and supporters bear blame for crisis”), I threw the paper down in disgust but then decided to go ahead and read it.

Then after I read it, I debated writing this letter, but I couldn’t let the lies continue about President Donald Trump. The president was on top of this whole pandemic whereas the local and state governments were slow in recognizing the danger.

No, President Trump did not slash the budget to the National Institutes of Health. He did not slash the budget to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. He did not dismantle a pandemic team and fire the scientists.

All these accusations have been investigated and found to be completely untrue — lies fed to an ignorant, blind, Trump-hating Democrat Party by a lying, Trump-hating media. Before spewing out accusations like this, it might be a good idea to check your sources carefully.

This is where I stand.

Linda Whitehead

Lacona

Editor’s note: While President Donald Trump proposed cuts to these agencies, Congress passed a budget without reducing their funding. And a key position in the administration’s pandemic team was eliminated, but other members were reorganized elsewhere in the government.

Johnson Newspapers 7.1

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Newsjunkie39a

It occurs to me that over the past few days many of us have wasted our time in a futile pursuit: challenging the statements of an individual who clearly exists in a universe of "alternative facts," and allows no contradiction thereof, even when confronted by whole tractor trailers of conflicting information. Her (or its) retorts never change and stand, firmly rooted in delusion.

That said, my absorption with history locks onto a worrying notion: of a man who comes to power amid widespread polarization. Focused upon solidifying his grip, among his earliest priorities are destroying public confidence in respected institutions (such as a free press, and branches of government that seek to operate independently), and creation of a common enemy upon whom to focus disdain--yea, even hatred: today, the opposition party. In the process he surrounds himself with people better described as henchmen (or henchwomen) who comply with his demands like robots, aware that to contest his views puts them at peril. With carefully staged rallies he develops an audience of what amount to trained seals who drink his ideological Kool-Aid and stubbornly ignore accepted truths, confident that this man will restore "greatness" to a country he claims had lost its way--until he took power.

Has anyone heard this tale before? Is anyone else uncomfortable with it?

Holmes -- the real one

I totally agree, Newsjunkie39a. This "individual" clearly does not come from this area and there are strong indications that Whoever is perpetrating this rank provocation does not have English as a first language. Clues? Syntax, rote/scripted quality of comments, insults, falsehoods. Looks like a troll, behaves like a troll, walks like a troll, smells like a troll, insults like a troll....

I know that at least one occasional commenter will insist that because there are no death camps, no Zyclon B gas chambers, and no Anne Frank's hiding in the attic, that this current Trump in the White House situation is not something to worry about. Such an opinion would be tragically wrong. As we look back in the history of tyrants and despots, we will find the same kind of trajectory of behaviors, the provocation driving division, and destruction of the institutions of the press taking place just prior to the peril of dictatorship.

There is nothing "Great" about what is going on in our government.

Newsjunkie39a

Thanks for that, Real Holmes. The syntax does betray someone or something not completely at home with English, and trots out the same charges time after time (robotically?) regardless of these being blunted by recitation of fact.

I once participated in another forum that was regularly visited by trolls. Upon reading one of these, another poster would immediately enjoin others to ignore it, using "DNFTT": Do not feed the trolls. Sometimes one saw "DNFTFT", too. Regardless, once identified, the advice is sound, and appropriate here as well.

Holmes -- the real one

I thought the list of Trump "accomplishments" was revealing.

First there was this very predictable quick deflection of 'look it up yourself' -- since a list of the GREATNESS of Trump apparently was not in the current script.

Frankly I'm not sure that this entity would even pass a rigorous Turing test.

It responds to certain key words but does not engage in any humanly appropriate manner.

Yeah, I have continued on a site that is frequented by some pretty 'refined' bot/trolls. Most have been "outed" by folks who have been on that site for eons, when a new one surfaces, most work together to bring that to the attention of the 'community.' The majority of the trolls there are infinitely more sophisticated than this idiotic one here. e.g. They pose as agreeing and then slip in falsehoods or little snippets of divisive comments. The trolls on the ultra conservative sites are much worse. They pose as the democrat devil himself.

I personally am most likely to lay out a few bits simply to allow the person/entity to fully declare themselves -- and then when it's clear that something disturbing lurks under the surface. I lose interest. In the end though, best to, as you say, DNFTFT.

Holmes -- the real one

Funny how, when challenged to provide the "accomplishments" of Trump, "Lisa Marie" Whatever comes up with nothing.

Apparently not in the script book.

All reputable news sources to this commenter seem to be "Fake News."

So where does Whatever get the news?

Lisa Marie

Funny how you don't want his many accomplishments known. You say he didn't make any accomplishments,he didn't accomplish anything. Such a lie and propaganda.

Lisa Marie

Apparently you wrote this comment before I sent the list. I was busy today doing other things, then I read your comment about the accomplishments. Read them. You won't like it.

Lisa Marie

You challenged me and I provided a list for you. Have you read it yet? Let me know if you need a list of more accomplishments, because there ARE more. I actually sent you two different lists. Check them out, please, if you haven't already.

keyser soze

It seems as though an awful lot of energy is being exhausted on here trying to reason with someone who has been evidently indoctrinated into a ‘group-think’ cult of personality. It’s a lot like trying to explain to Susan Atkins during the height of the Manson Family why Charlie may not be such a good guy after all.

Holmes -- the real one

It puts me in mind of this song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tigVYfHVmQ

Lisa Marie

Indoctrinated....those who follow democrat policies.....Socialism, Open borders, sanctuary cities, support of illegal immigration, more taxes, more government handouts to keep people dependent on the government, disrespect of our military, our veterans, and law enforcement. Yes, that's indoctrination. You are indoctrinated to those policies and liberal values.

hermit thrush

hard to pick just one thing from this list, but the "disrespect of our military" when your guy pardons war criminals and invites them to his private club is pretty good.

keyser soze

My apologies Linda/Lisa Marie Whoever - - did I say “indoctrinated?”

My bad, I should have said you sound as though you are suffering from a type of psychosis that causes abnormal thinking and bizarre perceptions not grounded in reality. And although the two are not necessarily mutual exclusive, people afflicted with psychoses tend to lose touch with reality. Two of the main symptoms are delusions and hallucinations as evidence by your impulsive outburst of silly comments.

One telltale sign of psychosis is hanging on to bizarre beliefs or thoughts not grounded in reality no matter what others say, all the while ignoring a tidal wave of verifiable data contrary to one’s erroneous beliefs.

Case in point, the current president exhibits behaviors daily that are consistent with someone who suffers from ‘acute’ psychoses; delusions, hallucinations, mood disturbances, inexplicable and rash behavior, etc.

So for better or worse you do have that in common with him. (Worse, in my opinion… but hey, who am I to judge).

Unfortunately, there is no known cure for psychosis, but there are various treatment options. With a little luck and effort you might find one that works for you.

I sincerely hope I was able to clear that up for you.

hermit thrush

this is a good summary of today's big deep dive in the wapo on trump's coronavirus response:

Greg Miller
@gregpmiller

A thread on our month-long investigation:

1) Trump team got clear warning Jan. 3 of outbreak in Wuhan; within days the virus was mentioned in Trump’s president’s daily brief.

2) HHS Sec Azar sought to brief Trump on Jan. 18, but Trump cut him off, lit into him about vaping issues before Azar could mention virus.

3) Task force spent early days consumed with travel bans, repatriating Americans, paying scant attention to testing or supplies problems that have become major crisis to US

4) Pottinger pushed in Jan. to block travel from Europe, but Mnuchin/others blocked him, citing concern for economy. Travel continued for weeks.

5) Problems at CDC lab so extensive that an FDA officials blew up on a call, saying lab should be “shut down”

6) Officials at CDC/HHS/FDA have been derailed repeatedly by demands from Jared Kushner for ill-conceived corona projects.

7) In midst of corona crisis, Trump found time for at least 6 golf outings and 8 political rallies crammed with people.

8) GOP polling in March showed Trump’s base putting itself in real peril by ignoring warnings about virus spread. Republicans far more likely than Dems to ignore social distancing demands, etc.

9) US now on course for more people to die from coronavirus than in wars of Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan combined.

https://twitter.com/gregpmiller/status/1246474081739976705
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2020/04/04/coronavirus-government-dysfunction/

Lisa Marie

LOL you get your info from twitter.com and the Washington Post. No wonder you are so misinformed. Fake News. You actually think President Trump doesn't deserve any time off. I wonder how much time off Obama had during the H1N1 six months before he did anything, and thereafter. Did you keep track?

hermit thrush

the news section of the wapo is rock solid (ditto for the nyt). "fake news" is nothing but a magical incantation wingnuts say when they don't want to be believe something is true. a classic cult mentality.

Holmes -- the real one

When someone overestimates their own intelligence and a person comes along and completely pull the wool over their eyes, the natural tendency is to call that person a genius rather than reassess themselves as a fool.

Satorimark

Lisa Marie relies on what Trump himself said on a March 4th interview with Sean Hannity. I am finding the same kind of disconnects in "facts" between myself (who listens and reads from a wide variety of news sources) and my own brother, an otherwise intelligent guy who relies on Fox. It's been said a million times before and I shouldn't have to repeat it now but FOX is basically a propaganda arm of the Trump administration or de facto government state TV. Nothing is fair and balanced. Two, Lisa's supposed facts come from the mouth of a guy who spews mistruths, outright lies, and exaggerations not on a daily basis, but by the minute. Whatever he says can hardly be trusted. Lisa, you have created your own universe where you believe everything Trump and his surrogates (for the "news people" as well as the opinion talents with rare exceptions) say. You should not be so trusting. Overtime Trump finds himself in hotter who uses his trued and true method of deflection. He hates Obama (and who could blame him, Obama publicly humiliated him for his gas lighting of the President not being an American citizen) and makes up stuff to dig in his knife whenever chance he gets. He's always better than Obama in his petty, delusionary world. Lisa, if you want the facts you cannot dismiss competent professional news sources as "fake news" (another ploy by the way in Trump's assault on truth--blame and dismiss the messengers and the bearers of uncomfortable truths). Don't trust me, I ask you to go the factcheck.org and see the real facts of the matter before you take what Trump says as Gospel Truth. https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/trumps-h1n1-swine-flu-pandemic-spin/

Lisa Marie

We heard of the Coronavirus, in December. By January 21, we had the first known case in the U.S. 10 days later President Trump banned travel from China, so apparently he was taking it seriously. Remember how Biden called him a racist and a xenophobe, and Pelosi put a bill on the floor to stop the ban. The Task Force was put in place immediately. I call that quick action. I will not read any links of liberal leaning. Of course liberal news networks are going to twist the truth. You are going on in your comment with a bunch of other stuff, diverting the issue. So I'll divert the issue. Trump was not my first choice for president. Of course there was no way that I would have voted for lazy, sickly, corrupt Hillary who in her many years in politics did Very little for our country. However, after listening to Trump's message during his campaigning, I knew he would be the one to vote for in the Republican party, although I did like a few others. I don't care about his personality or his past mistakes. I care about Great policies....Secure borders, NO sanctuary cites, come into our country LEGALLY, Law and order, less taxes, get people working instead of depending on government handouts, bring manufacturing back to the U.S., support of our ally Israel, get rid of the Iran Deal, as they were furthering their nuclear program as Obama gave Iran $150 BILLION., support of our military, our veterans, and law enforcement. So apparently, you disagree with and do not support these. President Trump who works Very hard is fulfilling these promises. Now if you would, would you please list lies and propaganda from FOX.

hermit thrush

"support of our military"

under trump, war criminals are pardoned and invited to mar-a-lago. captains who try to save their ship's crew from coronavirus are relieved of command.

Holmes -- the real one

The shame of this is immense.

It cannot be portrayed any more clearly or starkly than you have stated, hermit thrush.

Lisa Marie

It's great that President Trump put billions of dollars into our military after it was so depleted from the last administration. American Patriots want a Great military.

hermit thrush

obama left the military in fine shape. trump has wasted all kinds of money while dismantling the pandemic response infrastructure left to him by obama -- an immensely costly mistake. hundreds of thousands of needless deaths are going to occur here because of the brainless support he continues to receive.

Newsjunkie39a

Thank you, Real Holmes, hermit thrush, rockloper, and all the others with heads on straight for unmasking “lisa marie” for the mindless bot machine that (it) is.

Holmes -- the real one

I am so proud to stand alongside you Newsjunkie39a!

Lisa Marie

You are all radical liberal Socialists, who hate President Trump so much, that you have constant bashing and criticism of him, no matter what. I notice that you never name not even one of his many accomplishments. Neither does fake news. And I also notice that none of you have NO criticism of how Obama handled the H1N1, and he didn't have a plan in place for the next pandemic. Of course, President Trump and the Task Force with all their DAILY hard work, will have a plan in place, within reason for the next pandemic.

Holmes -- the real one

Oh, do feel free to name "....his many accomplishments." We are waiting.

keyser soze

I f nothing else he deserves credit for convincing Linda/Lisa Marie Whoever to guzzle copious amounts of Orange Kool-Aid.

Lisa Marie

Some of President Trump's many accomplishments: Manufacturing brought back to the U.S., record number of regulations eliminated, Reformed Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low income seniors on their drugs, Secured $6 Billion to help fund the opioid problem, Signed VA Choice Act, and VA accountability Act. expanded their services, such a walk in clinics and same day urgent care, $700 Billion in military funding, confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration, Confirmed two Supreme Court judges, US/Canada/Mexico trade deal, 164 miles of wall built, no more catch and release,prison reform. Just to name some things. I can go on with this.

Holmes -- the real one

Don't hold back. Go for it.

I'm sure all will be enlightened by your opinion of "accomplishments."

hermit thrush

"Signed VA Choice Act, and VA accountability Act."

hilarious. obama signed the veterans access, choice, and accountability act in 2014.

(trump repeatedly lies about this being one of his own accomplishments and here we have lisa drinking it up.)

Lisa Marie

From 2017 until the Corona virus country shutdown...7 million jobs created, more Americans employed than ever before in history, 600,00 manufacturing jobs created, unemployment at a 50 year low, and lowest ever for Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Median household income hit its highest level ever recorded, over 200 days of Stock Market highs which generated Trillions of dollars for our country. Our economy was doing Fantastic, so now hopefully after the coronavirus shutdown, we can get back on track, with a president that makes it happen. Certainly not Obama/Biden or Hillary. Oh, and I forgot on the last comment, President Trump withdrew from the one sided Iran Deal, as they were furthering their nuclear program with the $150 Billion that Obama gave them. We Need Trump. certainly not, lazy, dementia, quid pro quo Joe. Know that the democrats hate to see a great economy, as they want people dependent on the government for votes. Remember the State of the Union Address, the democrats sat with frowned faces and arms crossed, looking mad, as President Trump spoke of all the great things happening in our country. You apparently agree with the democrats.

hermit thrush

the economic stats are nice but they are all continuations of trends trump inherited from obama. trump does deserve credit for not messing a good thing up, but he's hardly been an economic dynamo. although, it also has be said that job growth slowed a bit under him, the stock market hasn't grown as much under him, and part of the economic growth is due to a big surge in deficit spending by the federal government. when a democrat is in office republicans pretend to be very concerned about mounting government debt, but with trump they (and you) couldn't care less.

it is an abject lie that iran was restarting its nuclear program under the deal obama struck with them. when trump pulled out of the deal, iran was in full compliance. now that we've pulled out of the deal, they have restarted their nuclear program. thanks trump! by the way, the money iran got as part of the deal was their own. they were simply their own assets which had been frozen since 1979. it takes quite a good negotiator to bribe someone with their own money, but that's obama for you.

rockloper

Right back at you Newsjunkie39. Always glad to see you contributing.

keyser soze

The Comedy Show of Linda/Lisa Marie Whoever Now Appearing Daily in the Opinion Section of the WDT…

All the Critics Agree:

“Linda/Lisa Marie Whoever is a Gas!”

“Hilarious!”

“A Must See!”

“I Laughed Until I Cried, and Then Cried with Laughter!”

“Not Since Rosanne Have We Seen Anything this Funny!”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nAMMeTQISQ [wink] [smile]

Lisa Marie

You have nothing intelligent to say or offer in your ridiculous comments. President Trump has made many accomplishments for America and you hate that. "All the critics" you mean ALL the radical liberal socialists, who support democrat policies of Open borders, sanctuary cites, more taxes, bad trade deals, more government handouts to keep people dependent on the government, disrespect of our military, our veterans, and law enforcement. Continue to watch and read fake news, and be misled and uninformed. So glad we have such a great president who is working very hard with the very knowledgeable task force. Obama and Biden waited 6 months during the H1N1 and 1000 Americans had already died and 12,500 Americans died in one year. No media hype, no criticism, no shutdown. President Trump will have a plan in place for the next pandemic after all the work on this one. Trump 2020!

hermit thrush

you are a stone cold liar (amongst other things) about obama. the first h1n1 case was reported on april 15, 2009. the government declared a public health emergency on april 26. the fda approved the first test for the virus on april 28, and tests began shipping on may 1.

by august 2009, the projections were for 30,000-90,000 deaths for h1n1. that the final death toll came in well below that is something you would consider a huge victory for trump if he had been president then. furthermore, if anything obama was widely considered too responsive to the threat.

don't get me wrong, lisa marie. despite all this, we all know you're going to keep lying about it. just know that we see you.

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/13/815363362/fact-check-trumps-accusations-about-the-obama-administration-and-swine-flu

https://slate.com/technology/2020/03/trump-coronavirus-obama-h1n1-swine-flu.html

Lisa Marie

You are the liar. Obama waited six months to declare an emergency, and 1000 Americans had already died. I would Never check out your liberal news links. NPR is Fake News. So what did Obama exactly do? Was there any media hype, was there criticism, was he blamed, were there daily briefings? Of course not. There was no shutdown. I have friends who never even heard of the H1N1. We know that The Trump Administration will have a plan in place for the next pandemic, within reason, unlike Obama who had No plan in place. Don't ever expect me to waste my time checking out one of your liberal links. Fake News is not my forte. The American People with any intelligence can see that President Trump and the task force are working Very hard.

Holmes -- the real one

Lies are lies. And "Lisa Marie" has made clear the purveying of lies.

Same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSuregWhlWk

hermit thrush

lisa, this is pathetic. everything that i wrote is true and documented. i gave you the links but you simply refuse to look at them. classic cult behavior. if you actually want to learn something and insist on not using the links i gave, then try the wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_pandemic_in_the_United_States. you will see that the u.s. government response was swift and robust. hhs declared a public health emergency on april 26, exactly as i said. i'm sorry if you read or heard somewhere that the obama administration didn't do anything until six months after the outbreak began, but you were lied to, and now it makes you a liar if you knowingly continue to spread the falsehood.

Lisa Marie

This is a reply to one of your other comments, as I could not reply on it. You must do something so that one cannot reply to some of your comments. You think Obama deserved the credit for Trump's economic boom. How ridiculous is that? And yes Iran furthered their nuclear program, and it is despicable that Obama gave Iran, his Muslim brotherhood country $150 Billion of our our tax dollars. Wake up, hermit. Don't ever expect me to check out an NPR article as they are So far left with lies and propaganda. NPR bashes President Trump and they support Open borders and illegal immigration. The sad part is, our tax dollars support that far left news entity. I won't check any of your other links, either, as I'm sure they too,are full of lies and propaganda.

hermit thrush

"This is a reply to one of your other comments, as I could not reply on it. You must do something so that one cannot reply to some of your comments."

lisa, i have to tell you. my neck muscles have never been in such good shape after all the head shaking i've been doing at your comments. i did not do anything that prevents you from replying directly to me. take a deep breath. lose the tinfoil hat. let go of the conspiracy craziness for a moment. all that's happening is ... the wdt's commenting system only allows successive chains of replies of a certain length. once the chain is long enough, no one can reply directly to the last comment on the chain. that's all that's happening here. what you still can do is reply to the next-to-last comment on the chain, and at least in my browser the response will go underneath the last comment, so that it still looks alright.

"You think Obama deserved the credit for Trump's economic boom. How ridiculous is that?"

you have no idea what the economic numbers are, do you? the economy was booming just as much under obama. unemployment was steadily improving under obama, and all that happened under trump is that the trend of improvement continued. trump has given us no bump in gdp growth. job gains actually slowed a little under trump, but to be fair it's hard to keep adding as many jobs once unemployment gets low enough.

"And yes Iran furthered their nuclear program"

no, they didn't. look it up.

"his Muslim brotherhood country"

you are a deplorable, disgusting person for lying about obama's religion like that. i would say shame on you, but i have learned that people like yourself who so proudly proclaim their awfulness are beyond shame.

"$150 Billion of our our tax dollars"

the lies continue. wake up yourself. it a) wasn't that much money and b) wasn't our tax dollars. https://www.factcheck.org/2019/03/obama-didnt-give-iran-150-billion-in-cash/

"NPR bashes President Trump"

npr reports facts which, because trump is a terrible president, are often unflattering to him. you think this is "bashing." it's crazy.

"they support Open borders and illegal immigration."

insane.

"I won't check any of your other links, either, as I'm sure they too,are full of lies and propaganda."

the most important part of being in the cult is keeping away from any information outside the cult.

keyser soze

Does this mean you won’t pursuing a career in comedy after all?

Well, I tried.

Holmes -- the real one

keyser soze --

You may have put your finger on it when you said “Linda/Lisa Marie Whoever...."

This entity, whoever she/he/it is, is behaving exactly like a classic "division" troll. A normal person wouldn't behave this way, but an entity with the mission of stirring up animus and division most certainly would. The goal for these disrupters is to pose as "the other side" and to spew provocative false statements that activate and irritate thoughtful readers -- who then respond. Those thoughtful readers are then left with the idea that people on the other side are bat-sh__ crazy.

This doesn't only happen on one side either. It's out there in the avowed right-leaning sites even more.

The goal for any individual "other-side" commenter is to generate as many responses as possible. If you follow this stuff, you will even see them crowing about how many responses they got. It may be that compensation is directly proportional to responses generated.

Maybe this "Lisa Marie" is a real person, but possibly not. But we have noticed that much of what has been in the comments is rather obviously scripted and stupidly repetitive. That same one's comments elsewhere have that identical quality.

The important thing, in my opinion, is that the lies are countered with fact. Actually, when we do so it is beneficial to any reader. These sort of false division stirring commenters do nothing for the cause they pose to espouse because what they have to say is generally just obvious falsehood and provocation.

That such a lame and transparently stupid entity is let loose here suggests that our little area is thought to be populated by simpleminded folks who will be taken in by this kind of mindless goading.

Of course, I could be wrong. "Whoever" could be a real person, in which case that would just be profoundly sad.

hermit thrush

this is what being "on top of this whole pandemic" means to the baghdad bobs:

"Nearly a week after invoking his powers under a Korean War-era law to compel General Motors to manufacture ventilators for coronavirus, President Donald Trump’s administration has not formally ordered any of the machines, USA TODAY has learned.

As governors warn of severe shortages of ventilators, Trump has been hesitant to use his wartime powers to force companies to ramp up production under the Defense Production Act, arguing that such an order amounts to a takeover of private industry.

But Trump said Friday he would use the act to require General Motors to make ventilators after what he described as a dispute with the company over supply and pricing. Three administration officials speaking on the condition of anonymity told USA TODAY that the government is still exploring its options and has not yet placed an order under the Defense Production Act for any of the machines."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/02/coronavirus-trump-said-force-gm-build-ventilators-he-hasnt/5100856002/

Holmes -- the real one

Just to put this into context, despite the fact that Trump has REPEATEDLY used the Defense Production Act prior to this, for numerous other reasons, he has been notably reluctant to utilize it when we have been in dire need of its use at this time.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/trump-used-defense-production-act-stalled-for-coronavirus.html

Holmes -- the real one

All the President*'s Excuses for Not Using the Defense Production Act Were Absolute Moonshine

re: The Defense Production Act

His administration* uses it all the time, but he'd rather turn ventilators and PPE into pork-barrel projects he can dole out.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a32006538/coronavirus-trump-defense-production-act/

Holmes -- the real one

And the people bowed and prayed to the neon god they made

People talking without speaking

People hearing without listening

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/012db0f6c4adb3c55126aa28be6fb509134750f2a7ff15948d8f0769eebd57d6.jpg?w=800&h=328

Holmes -- the real one

This is the version of Sounds of Silence by Disturbed.

Somehow so appropriate now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Dg-g7t2l4

hermit thrush

another chestnut for all the baghdad bobs out there:

"Two months before the novel coronavirus is thought to have begun its deadly advance in Wuhan, China, the Trump administration ended a $200-million pandemic early-warning program aimed at training scientists in China and other countries to detect and respond to such a threat.

The project, launched by the U.S. Agency for International Development in 2009, identified 1,200 different viruses that had the potential to erupt into pandemics, including more than 160 novel coronaviruses. The initiative, called PREDICT, also trained and supported staff in 60 foreign laboratories — including the Wuhan lab that identified SARS-CoV-2, the new coronavirus that causes COVID-19."

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-04-02/coronavirus-trump-pandemic-program-viruses-detection

Honest Abe

Time to stop living in an alternate reality. Trump downplayed the virus until he couldn't anymore, just like he does with everything. TRUTH: Trump is dishonest, disingenuous, works only to serve his own interests.

Lisa Marie

President Trump banned travelers from China in January. Remember, you called him a racist and a xenophobe, and Pelosi tried to get a bill on the floor to lift the ban. President Trump got right on top of it, got the task force going and took action. Where was the media hype in 2009 when Obama waited 6 months and 1000 Americans had already died, and 12, 500 Americans ended up dying. and then no plan was put in place for the next pandemic. Where were you then? President Trump is working very hard and doing a great job. You just hate him, so you write lies and propaganda.

Nice_Commenter

President Trump was on path for the biggest national debt ever before this virus. Trump and Sean Hannity were calling this a Hoax in February. This is on video. We know who the liar is, the President who brags about cheating on all his wives. Imagine believing what the founder of “Trump University” says.

Holmes -- the real one

Seven of Donald Trump's most misleading coronavirus claims

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/28/trump-coronavirus-misleading-claims

2) ‘It’s going to disappear. One day it’s like a miracle – it will disappear’

This position has been repeatedly contradicted by public health experts who predicted the sharp increase in Covid-19 infections, blunted only by social distancing measures and the shut down of large gatherings.

“You’ve got to be realistic, and you’ve got to understand that you don’t make the timeline, the virus makes the timeline,” Dr Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said recently.

3) ‘Anybody that needs a test gets a test. We – they’re there. They have the tests. And the tests are beautiful’

Without basis, Trump has claimed the US has done an excellent job in testing people for the coronavirus. As early as January, the president said the situation was “totally under control”. Just six weeks later the US had emerged as the new global center of the pandemic.

In reality, healthcare providers faced a severe shortage of testing kits as coronavirus hit the US, with the situation exacerbated by faults in the testing system and restrictions on who could actually take a test. A big disparity opened up whereby rich or famous people were able to get tests while others struggled to do so.

4) ‘I’ve always known this is a real – this is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic. I’ve always viewed it as very serious’

As is the case with many of Trump’s statements, his claim he has always taken the pandemic seriously deviates wildly from his previous comments. Perhaps most infamously, Trump said “I don’t take responsibility at all” when asked about the faltering US response.

5) Americans will have access ‘to vaccines, I think, relatively soon’

In a White House meeting with pharmaceutical company bosses and public health officials, Trump suggested a vaccine for Covid-19 will be available “over the next few months”

Dr Fauci and others at the meeting confirmed that clinical trials – standard for any new vaccine – would have to take place first. A vaccine is more likely to be a year or 18 months away.

Despite being told this, Trump told a rally in North Carolina on 2 March that there will be a vaccine “relatively soon”.

6) ‘I don’t think it’s hoarding, I think it’s maybe worse than hoarding. But check it out’

During his daily White House briefing, the president has said states are “stocked up” with medical equipment, adding: “There’s a question as to hoarding of ventilators, some hospitals and independent hospitals and some hospital chains, as we call them – they are holding ventilators, they don’t want to let ’em up.”

Trump also questioned why hospitals in New York City suddenly needed 300,000 masks when they previously needed 10,000 masks. The reason for the sudden surge in demand for these items is obvious – there is a pandemic of a new virus that is putting a huge and sudden strain on healthcare systems.

7) ‘You can call it a germ, you can call it a flu, you can call it a virus, you know you can call it many different names. I’m not sure anybody even knows what it is’

On 27 March, Trump made the above claim despite warnings from public health experts that coronavirus should not be conflated with seasonal flu. Fauci, for example, has said that Covid-19 is transferred between people far more easily than the flu and has a mortality rate around 10 times higher.

hermit thrush

"so you write lies and propaganda."

others have already ripped a lot of what you've been writing to shreds, but we should also add that you are lying about pelosi. she didn't try to do anything to lift the china travel restrictions. (while we're at it, they were only some restrictions, not a ban.)

Lisa Marie

There was a ban, and Pelosi tried to lift it. Fake news doesn't report that. So you actually think Pelosi was okay with the ban. Get informed. You don't get the truth from the newspaper you read. I don't either, but I continue with the subscription for other reasons.

Lisa Marie

She tried to put through the No Ban Act. Look it up. BTW...apparently you like and support her. LOL

hermit thrush

lol, please look up the act yourself. and then please reflect on how easily duped you are. house democrats weren't trying to do anything about trump's china travel restrictions. it was only his bigoted ban on travel from majority-muslim countries that they were considering trying to rescind. no doubt the propaganda you have been lustily consuming has been all too happy to omit this important distinction. one thing i have come to observe about hardcore right-wing online commenters is that they love to be lied to.

rockloper

That was hardly enough that he should have done. Remember these gems? Perhaps it is you should get more facts.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/14/tracking-trumps-false-or-misleading-coronavirus-claims/

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-coronavirus-lies-covid19_n_5e7b7d1ac5b6b7d80959966f

https://themoderatevoice.com/does-trump-deserve-bashing-regarding-the-covid-19-crisis/

https://www.truthorfiction.com/trump-covid19-statements-meme/

Holmes -- the real one

Great citations, rockloper.

But facts are so scary. It's hard to hold on to one's narrow world view when those pesky facts crop up.

rockloper

And here's yet another gem Lisa Marie https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/4/2/1933636/-Fox-News-host-sits-in-silence-as-infectious-disease-specialist-exposes-Trump-s-coronavirus-failure?detail=emaildkre

Lisa Marie

Apparently he didn't downplay it, since he banned travel from China in January, 10 days after the first known case in the U.S. I don't call that downplay. He was opposed to the media hysteria and hype. Remember during the H1N1....Obama waited 6 months and 1000 Americans had already died...talk about downplaying a pandemic. There was No media hype, no criticism, no shutdown....12,500 Americans died of the virus pandemic (H1N1) that year. So you apparently don't criticize Obama. It's so hypocritical.

hermit thrush

i don't know how many times this has to be said (actually in your case i suspect it will never sink in), but trump didn't actually ban travel from china. he only placed restrictions. it's an important difference. 40,000 people have arrived here on direct flights from china since trump put the restrictions in place! the travel restrictions were never going to stop the virus from coming here anyway, so for you keep insisting that this was some kind of grand action on trump's part is insane.

430,000 People Have Traveled From China to U.S. Since Coronavirus Surfaced
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/us/coronavirus-china-travel-restrictions.html

Lisa Marie

You get your information from the NY Times (Fake News)? Not me. No wonder you are out in left field. The NYT is a VERY liberal newspaper full of lies and propaganda...known fact.

hermit thrush

if the article is inaccurate then please explain why. it's true that the opinion section of the nyt is liberal, but its news section is rock solid. it is extremely rare that they get anything wrong. "fake news" is a just a brainless excuse that the right-wing mob uses when they want to dismiss inconvenient truths. serious people don't act this way. fox news publishes a lot of opinion trash but even their straight news reporting tends to be accurate, and no one should dismiss it simply because it's from fox.

Lisa Marie

I notice on many of your comments , one cannot reply. President Trump BANNED travelers from China, and Pelosi tried to pout in place the NO Ban Act. Look it up. I would not give any time of the day to the NYTimes, so don't even waste your time sending a link. Pelosi wants to put in place the NO Ban Act, because she does not want President Trump to Ever put a Ban on any countries, including terrorist countries. She is despicable, as much as you support her. She supports Open borders, sanctuary cities, funding illegals...all for the votes. Illegals are part of her voter base. Since you read the WDT, and the NYT...you will Never get the truth, and millions of Americans agree with that, as now they are aware of Fake News (far left news)...Thank you President Trump for making people aware. Hermit, you need to wake up, too. #walkaway. I walked away from the democrat party 30 years ago...as I realized that democrats stand for high taxes, unnecessary government programs, too many handouts to keep people dependent on the government, big government and government control. Now the democrats are SO far the the left. I prefer Republican/Conservative policies. For sure.

hermit thrush

this is beyond pathetic. trump did not ban all travelers from china. he only placed restrictions. many people were no longer allowed to travel here from china, but some could. in fact, 40,000 of them. as for pelosi, the no ban act would not have touched the chinese travel restrictions. right-wing propaganda outlets are trying to confuse gullible media consumers about this, and in your case it has worked like a charm.

the democratic party isn't perfect, but it is the party of sanity and competence.

Newsjunkie39a

Ha ha! Keep up your tribal mythology, Linda. The Houyhnhnms always need something to laugh at.

Lisa Marie

Linda is right. It is despicable how the left continues to lie with all of their propaganda. President Trump took action Very soon when he banned travelers from China. You liberals called him a racist and a xenophobe. He is working Very hard and doing a great job. At least we will have a plan in place after this pandemic, unlike Obama who did nothing for 6 months during the H1N1, and 1000 Americans had already died and 12,500 ended up dying. Where were you?

Nice_Commenter

Obama! Ha ha ha, yes, talk about Obama.

Holmes -- the real one

Fact check: Trump tries to erase the memory of him downplaying the coronavirus

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/politics/fact-check-trump-always-knew-pandemic-coronavirus/index.html

Facts First: From January until last week, Trump consistently minimized the risk the coronavirus posed to the country. He claimed to have the virus under "control," that the number of US cases would go "down, not up," that the virus might "disappear" through a "miracle" or something of the sort, that the virus might well vanish by April with the warmer weather, that the media and Democrats were overhyping the situation, and that "this is their new hoax," leaving it unclear whether he was calling the virus itself a hoax.

Prior to the World Health Organization's official pandemic declaration on March 11, Trump had never told Americans that he viewed the situation as a potential pandemic. When he was asked by CNBC in an interview that aired January 22 if there were worries about a pandemic, he responded, "No. Not at all. And -- we're -- we have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It's going to be just fine."

On March 9, Trump tweeted, "So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!" On March 10, the day before the WHO's pandemic declaration, Trump said, "And we're prepared, and we're doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away."

He added: "It's really working out. And a lot of good things are going to happen."

Skye Opel

Trump has been called many things. I think it is worse than we can imagine. I think he is the Anti Christ.

Holmes -- the real one

Well, he certainly is behaving as if he is competing for the title.

Lisa Marie

So glad we have such a hardworking President who is a true American Patriot. He supports pro life, while the democrats support abortion. So your statement about the Anti Christ, is totally ridiculous. Supporting abortion is Anti Christian. Get educated.

Nice_Commenter

Hardworking!!! Now this is just comedy. Trump is the laziest president ever, he watches three hours of TV a day, you can tell by his tweets.

Lisa Marie

Watching Fake News, you would Never know how hardworking he is. You really need to get informed. And like I said, your comments are like that of an adolescent.

hermit thrush

that the president spends huge portions of his day on "executive time" is not in any kind of factual dispute. do you know how much the government has spent on his golf outings? do you know how much of that has gone straight into his pocket? trump fans are the biggest marks.

Newsjunkie39a

And the Trumpkins take another swig of Trump Kool-Aid while making plans to send their kids to Trump University, where the boys will be taught how to grab girls.

hermit thrush

yes trump has worked very hard at funneling taxpayer money into his pocket for his golf outings. credit where it's due.

rockloper

democrats don't support abortion, they support pro choice

Lisa Marie

Pro Choice is supporting abortion. If you don't support abortion then you are Pro Life. Does that make sense to you? And my comment is not to tell you what I support.

hermit thrush

pro choice means pro choice. it means supporting women who choose to carry to term and supporting women who choose not to. to not understand this, you have really not want to understand it.

rdsouth

Supposedly the Anti-Christ will seem highly competent and benevolent.

Holmes -- the real one

And, as Lisa Marie reminds us, there are some who believe that about Trump.

keyser soze

About two weeks ago while shopping I asked a store clerk if she was wiping down her workstation to prepare for the virus. She indignantly and loudly proclaimed that she “cleaned her area every day”, that the virus had nothing to do with it and “all these concerns are a bunch of nonsense.” Another employee chimed in that Covid-19 was no worse than the flu that thousands of people die of every year. For a moment I thought of engaging their untrue statements but simply said “I wish you well” and left the store.

Not unlike Linda Whitehead, these people are cloaked in the fact-deflecting armor of Fox News (before its sudden and magical pivot in the approximate direction of reality), Hannity, Limbaugh, and the rest of the sneering MAGA bomb-throwers. Sadly, they are part of a cult of no-nothings who place their trust, health and finances into the hands of some of the most unscrupulous liars on the planet.

I passed the store the other day and it’s closed . . . the two employees, most likely, are among the millions who are filing for unemployment insurance. Sociologists, psychologists, and philosophers will no doubt debate this era of recklessness endlessly . . . how it was that a once prosperous, literate nation came to be controlled by an amoral snake-oil salesman.

Lisa Marie

In 2009 Obama waited 6 months during the H1N1 and 1000 Americans had already died. Eventually 12,500 Americans died in that year. 23,000 Americans have already died of the flu in this year alone. You have no regard for these deaths. Obama certainly got a free pass during the H1N1, and he had no plan in place for the next pandemic. You people are ridiculous. President Trump took quick action during the COVID-19. In January 10 days after the first known case in the U.S. he banned travel from China. You called him a racist and a xenophobe, and Pelosi tried to lift the ban. President Trump has been working Very hard since with the task force. The daily briefings are great. You and the dems hate Trump so much that you have to spew lies and propaganda. For sure I believe the Very professional and knowledgeable task force and what they have to say. You are not to be believed.

Newsjunkie39a

Funny how in their posts the Trumpkins show themselves to be one-trick ponies--OTPs who view the past through lenses ground to suit their beliefs.

Holmes -- the real one

Amazing about the Trump lies about preparation for a possible pandemic. People in Jim Jones' cult drank poisoned kool aid. I have no doubt that Trump supporters would too if Trump handed it out.

Great going Linda. That's where you stand.

https://www.warren.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2018.05.18%20Letter%20to%20NSA%20John%20Bolton%20About%20Departure%20to%20Top%20Global%20Public%20Health%20Staff.pdf

hermit thrush

this letter is an example of classic cult behavior. raw facts about the world which run contrary to the dogma of the cult simply bounce off the adherents.

hermit thrush

"it might be a good idea to check your sources carefully."

true words, linda. true words.

Lisa Marie

It might be a good idea for you to stop watching Fake News and learn the facts. To blame the pandemic on President Trump and his supporters is ludicrous. If not for President Trump, there would not have been ban on travelers from China in January, Pelosi tried to lift the ban. President Trump got the task force going in a quick manner. Actually, you hate that, because you want to see President Trump fail.

hermit thrush

these admonitions from you to "learn the facts" are hilarious. your comments are littered with errors. pelosi didn't try to lift the travel restrictions on china. it is absurd to say that if not for trump then there wouldn't have been travel restrictions; no one knows what another president would have done, but more seriously, the restrictions didn't stop the virus from coming here in the first place! what "task force" trump get going "in a quick manner"? what has this 'task force" actually done? what i actually hate is that trump's rank incompetence is going to get hundreds of thousands of my fellow americans needlessly killed.

Lisa Marie

I notice you don't check your facts. You have a comment that Obama made a great nuclear deal with Iran. You mean the deal where he gave Iran $150 BILLION, and they furthered their nuclear program. You also gave him credit for how he handled the H1N1. Really. He waited 6 months before calling it a national emergency and 1000 Americans had already died. No media hype, no criticism, no blame, no shutdown. 12,500 Americans died that year. Obama was a terrible president and he caused extreme division in our country. Remember when the violent protests were going on against the police, Obama sat back and did nothing. His comment was, "I understand how they feel", meaning he understood how the protesters feel. You have your opinion of how great you think Obama was, and I have my opinion of how Great a President that I think Trump is. We should agree to disagree instead of the the misogynist insults that you throw against me.

hermit thrush

talk about not checking your facts. the money iran "received" as part of the deal was their own (unfrozen assets), and they were in full compliance with the deal when trump abrogated it. they were doing nothing towards getting a bomb. furthermore, the inspections framework in the deal was so robust that it made it practically impossible for them to advance towards a bomb. after trump [bleep]ed everything up, however, they have now started enriching uranium to higher grades again. it's like trump has the midas touch, except for excrement.

hermit thrush

i don't deny that i have lobbed some (deserved) insults at you, but if i have said anything misogynist then please point it out.

hermit thrush

"Remember when the violent protests were going on against the police, Obama sat back and did nothing. His comment was, "I understand how they feel", meaning he understood how the protesters feel."

i don't, because you're making it up.

Baxter

Trump has been in office almost four years. Has he ever taken any responsibility at any time while in office. Never, think about that the buck does not stop with him. It stop at fake news,hoax ,name calling, blaming others. That is your wonderful president.

MD

Well, I used to be a reporter and I find Trump to be honest, competent, forthright, humble and quite intelligent.

rockloper

Good one MD, good one! LOL

Lisa Marie

MD is more right than you could ever be. Your hate and vitriol of President Trump has a real hold on you. He has made many great accomplishments in 3 years, more than Obama in 8 years. President Trump will surely be re-elected.

hermit thrush

obama got us out of the worst recession since the great depression, greatly expanded access to health insurance, wound down the disastrous war in iraq, signed a very good nuclear deal with iran, saw us achieve energy independence, held the line against illegal immigration, and successfully handled the swine flu and ebola outbreaks. just off the top of my head. trump ran up the national debt via tax cuts for the rich, is the most corrupt president probably ever, and has now committed the greatest dereliction of presidential duty in modern history.

keyser soze

Hilarious!! Thanks for the comic relief. We really needed a good laugh.[beam][scared]

Farmer Liz

HUMBLE??? HAHAHAHA!! Thanks for the first laugh of the morning.

MD

and good looking! That Hair!

rockloper

And to think Linda your 'president' said the pandemic was a democratic hoax. Long overdue for the republican clowns to realize the orange one is no president.

Lisa Marie

He did not say the pandemic was a democrat hoax. He said that the democrats' accusations against him regarding the virus, was a hoax. Get your facts straight and stop with the Fake comments.

rdsouth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkMwvmJLnc0&feature=emb_logo

rockloper

Score a huge one for rd!

Newsjunkie39a

Keep it up, Lisa. Don't let facts get in your way.

rockloper

tRump is an embarrassment and disgrace to this country. The only thing more embarrassing and disgraceful are tRump supports. This article is is the typical parroting of right wing media - strawmanning , deflecting, passing the buck.

Lisa Marie

President Trump is a true American Patriot who loves American and puts America first. He has made many great accomplishments for our country, but you wouldn't know of them, since you watch Fake News, and read the Times which doesn't report them. You probably supported lazy, sickly, corrupt Hillary who did Very little for anyone or our country while she was in politics for 40 years. And what exactly did Obama accomplish in 8 years. President Trump will surely get elected because he is hardworking and works for America. The democrats are globalists who put America on the back burner, and like to see America fail. Linda is right in her letter.

Nice_Commenter

Trump is now asking a foreign bank to suspend his loan because his businesses can’t make their loan payments. Trump owes a foreign bank hundreds of millions. Your patriotism is a joke.

Lisa Marie

Such a lie and propaganda. Just admit that you are such a Trump hater, that you will make up any lies against him. You must have supported lazy, sickly, corrupt Hillary who did very little in her many years in politics. And now you either support Communist Socialist Breadline Bernie who never had a real job, or lazy, pervert, dementia, quid pro quo Joe, who did very little in his many years in politics as he was part of the establishment. Trump 2020!

Newsjunkie39a

For one thing Obama established national health care. But then you probably think that was awful.

Lisa Marie

National Healthcare...you mean government controlled healthcare...you can keep your plan, you can keep your doctor? LOL Very high premiums. Don't tell me about National Healthcare (Obamacare). Low income people already were able to get free healthcare, medicaid. Wealthy people can afford insurance. Many people already had/have healthcare through their employment, the elderly get Medicare. All the government needed to do, was to help some middle income people. But they had a 20,000 page document, that Pelosi said to pass it, then see what's in it. LOL You support that debacle. It was a sham. And why should we taxpayers have to pay for healthcare for people who don't work and won't work, sit around, eat poorly, become obese, and have health problems. Not our problem.

MD

You beat the drum, I'll play the fife!

Nice_Commenter

Linda really likes that Trump had his affair with Stormi Daniels while Melania was pregnant with Barron. Way to go Linda! Stick up for your Reality-Show host president who owes hundreds of millions to foreign banks!

Lisa Marie

Such a shallow comment. You sound like an adolescent. So glad we have such a great President who is true American Patriot, who has made many great accomplishment for America. Trump 2020! You are not a nice commentator. You name call, and you are full of hate and vitriol...so disrespectful.

Holmes -- the real one

This one, for instance. The syntax. The culled and scripted quality.

The "English is not my first language" quality. "....such a great President who is true American Patriot, who has made many great accomplishment (sic)...."

Who, in our area, would say "so disrespectful" for bringing up the topic of Trump dalliances?

Lisa Marie

Look up his many accomplishments. Just google it. If you can't find it, then I will write a list for you. I know you don't want his accomplishments exposed, and you don't want democrat corruption exposed.

hermit thrush

the federal government has requested 100,000 body bags in the wake of the covid pandemic. as of today, south korea had only 177 deaths from the virus. please tell us more about trump's accomplishments.

MD

She appears to be a Russian Bot, or RNC Dot.

hermit thrush

"You name call, and you are full of hate and vitriol...so disrespectful."

"Such a shallow comment. You sound like an adolescent."

that is quite the juxtaposition, lisa marie.

"You are not a nice commentator."

what is not nice here are the raw facts about trump. everything nice_commenter wrote about him is true. look at how the basic truth makes you respond.

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