Politics as usual is horrible for our country

I know that you endorsed U.S. Rep. Ellise Stefanik for Congress; I supported Tedra Cobb. I was never under any illusion that she had any chance of winning.

It is time for you to pin Elise to the wall. I want to know if she believes that President Donald Trump’s claims of voter fraud are real. Do they pose a threat to our democracy? We deserve answers directly from her, not some ambiguous news release.

What are her thoughts on QAnon? We deserve answers to these questions. Bring back Mother Goose and Grimm, and Lockhorns!

Mark Helmer

Brasher Falls

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(41) comments

Newsjunkie39a

By supporting Trump’s quest to overturn the duly certified 2020 presidential election, she shows that she has no interest in the clearly expressed will of the people, nor in supporting the rule of law and the constitution itself. The Times should reconsider its endorsement of this unworthy representative.

Pitbull

Any real newsjunkie would see that the will of the people was not "clearly expressed". It was manipulated by the press and polling outfits and Big Tech.

hermit thrush

authoritarian herrenvolk nonsense.

hermit thrush

remember kids, when facebook was awash with pro-trump fake news and russia committed illegal acts to interfere with the election in 2016, that wasn't manipulation, the result was the true expression of the will of the people. (i am not sure how hillary clinton getting more votes fits into this story, but i'm sure that our right-wing friends will come up with something.)

KRobbins

the will of the people was not "clearly expressed".

Yes, it was.

It was manipulated by the press and polling outfits and Big Tech.

No, it wasn’t.

That’s more than you deserve since all you’ve doing is fantasizing.

Empathy

Today I sent a thank you email to Bee Nguyen, US Representative from Atlanta GA for her excellent work pointing out the folly in the Texas suit allegations. I also shared with her my dismay for having to admit that Stefanik is the Representative from my district. At least someone is representing me and fighting for our Democracy.

minder

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Newsjunkie39a

Elise Stefanik has sold her birthright to a common grifter. She would wipe out Americans' voting rights for the sake of some praise from this awful man. She deserves only condemnation.

hermit thrush

i honestly think this gives too much credit to stefanik. i think there's just a much evidence that trump has revealed her for who she really is.

KRobbins

Elise Stefanik has sold her birthright to a common grifter.

Esau at least got lunch. Hope Elise got more than a House seat in northern NY.

verbal kint

I just sent this email to Nancy Pelosi. Please feel free to copy and adjust to fit your personal needs. (Contact info below)

Madame Speaker,

I am writing today as a result of learning that the person who was elected to represent me in the House of Representatives 21st. District has failed in her duty. As part of the 2/3 of the House GOP caucus to sign on to the recent farcical lawsuit filed in the Supreme Court by the corrupt AG of Texas, which sought to disenfranchise millions of Americans because they didn't like the results of the recent General Election, Representative Elise Stefanic has symbolically joined an insurrection against the Constitution that she swore to uphold.

The 14th Amendment to the Constitution reads in part, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, ... who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, ..., to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. ..."

Madame Speaker, I have never written to a politician about such a grave matter before today, but when I learned that the person elected to represent me has betrayed me in this way, I was livid. I can barely express in words how upset I am. I respectfully request that you invoke the 14th Amendment to the Constitution and deny seating those who swore to support the Constitution, and then signed on to this sedition.

I understand that many freshmen have never taken this oath, but many are seasoned politicians who betrayed the Republic, among them House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy and my Representative Elise Stefanic.

Sincerely,

etc. etc.

Rep. Nancy Pelosi

Contact Info

Easy email:

Copy/paste. Follow contact ling in Google search window: Contact | Speaker Nancy Pelosi

Website:

http://www.house.gov/pelosi/

Washington, DC address:

U.S. House of Representatives, 235 Cannon House Office Building,

Washington, DC 205150001

ph: (202) 225-4965

fax: (202) 225-8259

minder

Excellent! Thank you.

Pitbull

I hope your pen pal writes back! You have chosen a nut to communicate with. Maybe she'll invite you over for ice cream.

hermit thrush

the pelosi ice cream thing is so, so weird. it is so transparently a thing that right-wingers wouldn't care about if a republican did it, they know they wouldn't care about it, and yet they plow ahead with it. such militant bad faith over something so trivial.

Eagle24

VK's letter certainly makes a point...and your best response is mocking the recipient ...

Pitbull

The pelosi ice cream thing is about hypocrisy, as are all of the covid do as I say, not what I do stories.

hermit thrush

lol what on earth are you talking about? there are some real hypocrisy stories out there (e.g. democratic officials eating at restaurants in contravention of their own anti-covid measures, or in a different direction, donald trump employing loads of illegal immigrants), but did i miss that nancy pelosi somewhere told people not to eat ice cream? what's the hypocrisy here?

Eagle24

VK - WOW! One of the most well written comments I've ever read... We should copy and past to our FB page... [thumbup] You obviously have insight beyond the rest of us..

rdsouth

Sorry, Stefanik is a tool but signing onto a frivolous lawsuit is not insurrection.

KRobbins

It’s more seditious.

KRobbins

This is Ruth Marcus in the WaPo today hitting it out of the park.

Every one of these individuals has forfeited any claim to believe in anything but fealty to Trump and their own political self-interest. Because nothing could be less conservative, less consistent with supposed Republican principles, than urging a court to overturn a democratic election. Spare me the pieties about activist judges.

Nothing could be less consistent with conservative principles than contending that one state should be able to instruct another about how to conduct its elections — or that federal judges should referee such claims. So much for federalism.

zeitgeist

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rdsouth

Not at all. Overturning anything democratic is definitely conservative. That's what conservatism is under all the sophistry: a preference for basing everything on what was rather than any other consideration. Keep my company rich even if it is obsolete and destructive. Keep my man in office even if he isn't that popular. Keep my neighborhood the color it was when I moved in. Keep my kids privileged even if they're dull and lazy and indisciplined because of the way I raised them.

KRobbins

Having endorsed ES the WDT does have some culpability in her actions now. I would hope the editors have more respect for democracy than she obviously has.

zeitgeist

Yesterday, the Orlando Sentinel apologized in an editorial for having endorsed, last fall, a House Republican who signed on to the recent Texas lawsuit. How was it to know, last fall, that the House Republican would go on to participate in obstructing democracy? Last fall, nothing about the House Republican indicated that he would engage in such aberrant behavior. Last fall, the Texas lawsuit was unimaginable for the folks at the Orlando Sentinel, so they didn't broach the subject with the candidate.

The scenario is different regarding the WDT and Elise Stefanik. At one point, last fall, prior to the WDT endorsing her, it published an editorial raising concerns about a perceived style/character change in her, noting, among other things, her vicious campaign tactics, partisanship, etc. The WDT expressed concern. Also last fall, a column was published, pointing out Stefanik's less than truthful remark at the Republican National Convention, where she took credit for something she had no business taking credit for. She lied. All the while, it was becoming more and more apparent to all of us, including, presumably, the WDT, that Stefanik's loyalty to Trump was extremely deep-- i.e. her defense of him at the impeachment hearings, Trump naming her to his NY election campaign team, their joint appearance at Fort Drum, etc.

By the time the WDT wrote its editorial endorsing Stefanik, it had a number of red flags to consider, whereas the Orlando Sentinel had no red flags to consider when it endorsed its candidate.

How many other newspapers across the country had a number of red flags to consider when they endorsed Republican candidates who went on to participate in the Texas lawsuit? Few, I'll bet, if any. But the story is different here. The WDT endorsed Stefanik in spite of a litany of the red flags, some of which were raised by the newspaper, itself.

I think the WDT owes its readers an explanation.

hermit thrush

on the merits this is completely right, but all of us should want the wdt to stay in business too.

KRobbins

Great comment. That’s a great summation.

Trump isn’t going away. The stolen election mythology isn’t going away. Republicans need to embrace it forever or face the wrath of the MAGAs. It’s great to live in interesting times as are they all. Definitely curious to see how having a cult leader as the head of a major political party in this country works. I think they got themselves a tar baby problem there and no briar patch in sight.

It wouldn’t have made any difference if the WDT had endorsed Stefanik, Cobb or no one. I remember feeling that the endorsement was really searching too hard for a raison d’être. As you noted, they have at times held her feet to the fire. This seems to be another instance where staying silent is intolerable.

minder

Excellent points. I, too, would like an explanation from WDT about their endorsement. Not holding my breath, though.

KRobbins

on the merits this is completely right, but all of us should want the wdt to stay in business too.

May they live long and prosper 🖖!

JohnMcElroy

Party loyalty has kept Congresswoman Stefanik working. What's the old saying, "stick to the one you took to the dance."

KRobbins

It’s not party loyalty and certainly not loyalty to conservative principles. More importantly it’s not loyalty to the United States. It’s Trump über alles.

I realize that anyone running with an R after their name in northern NY is a near lock to be elected. To me, the only thing that makes sense is that either she’s an extremist herself or is worried about being primaried by someone seen as more loyal to Trump.

Considering that she’s an incumbent and has unlimited resources would make it a fool’s errand, but I’d love to see a challenger from the more center right. A little less radical. More Reaganist and less Trumpist.

JohnMcElroy

Stefaniks campaign chest was by far what Cobb's was. That is what loyalty gets a republican.

Eagle24

Really doesn't matter what she thinks... POTUS just lost another SCOUS attempt...highest courts in the land won't even take his bizarre cases anymore.. he should be saving his money for post term court cases that will surely come..

JohnMcElroy

This "final" attempt really wasn't so bizzare it had some red meat but the court said "Texas you lack the proper standing you can't tell another state how to change its voting procedures." Giuliani from sick bed says more lawsuits to come. In my opinion Don Trump will never get over the harassment he received during the fake collusion issue and followup Mueller fiasco. Looks like the last hurrah Trumpies, well wishes to Biden/Harris or Obama III.

hermit thrush

russian collusion is real not fake. roger stone colluded with wikileaks, which was a russian cutout. paul manafort gave secret campaign polling information to a russian intelligence officer. it wasn't harrassment, it was all very real investigation under which people have gone to jail. we don't know more because trump obstructed it (something he should go to jail for himself) and stone and manafort wouldn't cooperate.

Eagle24

Agreed JM... I was hoping we'd see another star Melissa Carrone testify... Careful on the "fake" collusion.. we'll always wonder what the outcome would have been if Bolton would have testified... regardless it was a waste of time.. "if you shoot at the king, don't miss"...

KRobbins

regardless it was a waste of time..

It was one more instance of the loyalty of almost all Congressional Republicans to Trump. The rap sheet of most of them has gotten pretty long already. 126 of them just added a mark that’s blacker than coal.

Melanie in WA

" "Texas you lack the proper standing you can't tell another state how to change its voting procedures. "

You conveniently left out the rest of the statements from SCOTUS. In essence they stated that if they had heard the case in the future they would have bounced their suit immediately. There was and is no merit to their cause.

KRobbins

Thank you Melanie for pointing that out. The Trumpers seem to be desperately seeking a 7-2 loss when they’ve been handed a 9-0 one.

KRobbins

Trump doesn’t pay for anything and the longer the charade goes on the longer the con goes on. I’m sure the fundraising for “Stop the Steal” is still in high gear. I’m surprised I haven’t seen any Trump 2024 flags hanging off the houses in the neighborhood.

minder

It's all about the grift. He will genuinely be a rich person when he leaves the WH, thanks to his minions. Sore losers and fools .... bigly!

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