“The buck stops here.” So said the placard on Harry Truman’s oval office desk. President Donald J. Trump doesn’t agree.

When asked by a reporter if he took any responsibility for the failure to ramp up testing for the novel coronavirus, he said no. The lack of mask and personal protective equipment for medical personnel on the frontlines or the lack of ventilators, that’s the governors’ responsibility. Asked why he downplayed the threat of a pandemic even though intelligence agencies and health professionals were warning him in January, but waited until March before issuing a national emergency, he obfuscated.

During that interval, he claimed he had the virus under control and the few initial cases would simply go away like magic. Now after more than 50,000 deaths, Trump blames the Democrats for impeaching him, the governors for not stockpiling medical supplies, the Chinese for not being transparent and, most recently, the World Health Organization for bungling its initials response.

After first claiming total authority to open up the economy, he now argues it is the governors’ responsibility. That has not stopped him from encouraging anti-shelter-in-place rallies, despite the inability to do the widespread testing to ascertain who has contracted the virus. So if opening too soon leads to a resurgence of cases, blame it on the governors, not him.

Perhaps Trump should put a placard on his oval office desk that reads: “The buck stops anywhere but here!”

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Holmes -- the real one

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The fact is there has been so much unnecessary death in this country. If we had listened to the experts and heeded their warnings, it could have been stopped short. But Donald Trump failed to act — and now the American people are paying the price.

keyser soze

Trump and Pastor Pence continue to deny reality well into the pandemic.

They denied the reality of Covid-19 going back to January, February, and March, and continue to do so in April, magically claiming everyone can be tested while Trump hawks the magical and largely discredited crackpot theories as a miracle cure.

The Dotard and his kowtowing subordinates can best serve the nation by resigning and letting competent people take charge.

Through their sheer incompetency and indifference to human lives, Trump and his sycophants have helped make America #1 in Covid-19 cases and deaths. Americans have seen enough of this failed administration and its absolute inability to lead.

Holmes -- the real one

OK, here's some basic information that might be helpful. Clearly Trump never bothered to learn any of this before he started running off at the mouth.

Are viruses even alive?

There is a lot of scientific reflection on this very issue. Most scientists believe that they are not – or that they exist somewhere in the continuum between complex molecular compounds and very simple biological entities. When a virus is not in contact with a host cell it is essentially in a dormant state. There is no biological process going on within– it exists basically as a static bit of organic (meaning carbon-containing) matter. We call these bits of matter “virons.”

Virons can last for quite a long time if they are not inactivated by some external force.

So can you actually kill a virus?

Well, you can certainly inactivate it and you can intervene so as to make it difficult or impossible to replicate.

What kind of interventions can deactivate a virus?

UV light and lasers – if the virus is on a surface and the light is strong enough and lasts long enough the light waves penetrate the capsid (outer covering) and damage its integrity

Heat – DNA and RNA are proteins. When subjected to enough heat, proteins lose their specific shape and denature. This is not a reversible process (think of frying an egg) so the virus’s ability to take over a cell and hijack it’s production “factories” is thwarted. It cannot, therefore, make more copies of itself.

Disinfecting chemicals – most cleaning/disinfecting agents are chemically reactive. That means there is a partially charged part of the chemical that tends to react with a partial charge on something else that it finds in the environment. The reaction yields a new product that changes the virus in such a way that it becomes inactivated.

Washing your hands – soap has both polar and non-polar sides. That means it can interact both with water and with grease and oil in such a way that the oil/grease becomes trapped an the water can wash it away. Soap doesn’t kill viruses (or germs for that matter) it simply makes it easier for whatever is on the hands to be washed away.

So how might these options work INSIDE the body?

Well, here’s a clue to get you started – whenever there is some kind of insult to the integrity of the tissues of the body, there comes a cascade of events. Injured tissue sends chemical messengers which in turn trigger the release of immune-type cells (which also release their own chemical messengers) to summon more cellular “helpers” to address the situation.

Even small amounts of light can damage cells – especially cells which do not contain melanin (i.e. cells which aren’t skin cells). And we must all know by now that even skin cells can be irrevocably damaged by light as well. UBI (ultraviolet blood irradiation) was extensively used in the 1940’s to treat all sorts of infections. With the development of antibiotics that “cure tht time forgot” kind of fell by the wayside. Did it work? Well, it was definitely helpful in many cases (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4783265/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6122858/ ) That, by the way, is NOT the same as sticking a light up into someone.

Heat denatures proteins – not only viral proteins either.

Chemicals – damage cells too – with all the attendant reactions described above. Chemo is an example of a chemical which intentionally damages cells – the ones that are most frequently dividing (like cancer cells). It kills the other cells too but the hope is that it will knock off the cancer before the combination of the cancer and the chemo knocks off the person.

keyser soze

Excellent information RH -- all of my personal research over the past several months has led me to the same conclusions.

I just recently finished building a UVC light box. It’s not very big – just large enough to contain a one foot long 9w fluorescent bulb. The light is an ultra violet C short-wave, germicidal lamp with a wave length of 253nm which seems to be the sweet spot for degrading viruses (including Covid-19). Any objects(s) to be treated i.e. masks, packaged foods, etc., are placed inside the foil lined box at a distance of approximately 6 inches. In this case I have chosen the lamp to be set on a 10 minute timer.

As an added safety precaution I have the light box inside a larger cabinet. And this might be a bit of overkill, but as an added, added precaution, I cycle my masks for reuse every seven days. By using this method I should be able to get dozens of uses from a single mask.

Holmes -- the real one

Wow.

I don't think you really have to worry about packaged foods much -- just dispense the food, throw the packaging away, wash your hands, and that should do it.

If you use the cloth masks you can just throw them in the washer and dryer. Remember, the mask is to protect other people from you not the other way around.

UV light on surfaces is one of the perks of summer (at least brilliant sunshine days). Less concern about touching hand rails and playground equipment etc, that are out in the sun all day.

hermit thrush

the party of personal responsibility!

Nice_Commenter

When you have Andrew Cuomo saying “I take complete responsibility” and President Trump saying “I take no responsibility for anything” it is very clear who is a leader and who is a Reality Show Clown.

Trump has primarily hyped insane Medical Ideas because he knows his audience is so brainwashed they will ignore that the President that Republicans voted for in record number made the Lysol company tel people not to inject their product, followed by record calls to poison control thanks to people listening to the President. This is about intelligence.

rockloper

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Nice_Commenter

If you want some sad comedy, it has become clear that Trump was 100% serious with the "inject disenfectant" remarks, because he was badly misinterpreting his previous briefing with Bill Bryan. Saying Trump was being "sarcastic" is actually worse. A president who uses misleading sarcasm at a time of national crisis? Compare Bryan's speech to Trump's. Trump was literally just repeating what he thought Bryan said.

Acting Under Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, Bill Bryan, says:

If I may have the first slide, please. And while that’s coming up, our most striking observation to date is the powerful effect that solar light appears to have on killing the virus — both surfaces and in the air. We’ve seen a similar effect with both temperature and humidity as well, where increasing the temperature and humidity or both is generally less favorable to the virus.

If you look at the first three lines, when you see the word “surface,” we’re talking about nonporous surfaces: door handles, stainless steel. And if you look at the — as the temperature increases, as the humidity increases, with no sun involved, you can see how drastically the half-life goes down on that virus. So the virus is dying at a much more rapid pace, just from exposure to higher temperatures and just from exposure to humidity. If you look at the fourth line, you inject summer — the sunlight into that. You inject UV rays into that. The same effects on line two — as 70 to 35 degrees with 80 percent humidity on the surface. And look at line four, but now you inject the sun. The half-life goes from six hours to two minutes. That’s how much of an impact UV rays has on the virus.

We’re also testing disinfectants readily available. We’ve tested bleach, we’ve tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus, specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids. And I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes; isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds, and that’s with no manipulation, no rubbing — just spraying it on and letting it go. You rub it and it goes away even faster. We’re also looking at other disinfectants, specifically looking at the COVID-19 virus in saliva.

Immediately following Acting Secretary Bill Bryan, Trump says:

Thank you very much. So I asked Bill a question that probably some of you are thinking of, if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous — whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light — and I think you said that that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you’re going to test that too. It sounds interesting.

Right. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you’re going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds — it sounds interesting to me.

rockloper

And again, the only thing worse than tRump are his supporters.

hermit thrush

here is some actual comedy, at least: https://twitter.com/sarahcpr/status/1253474772702429189

Holmes -- the real one

This is the Trump agenda:

Demolish democracy

Exacerbate racial animosity

Fire up christo-fascist paranoia

Create fertile ground for a civil war

Trash the unions and workers' rights

Use stochastic terrorism to incite violence

Shoot down gun control at every opportunity

Undermine the integrity of the electoral system

Enrich himself and his vile tower trash crime family

Promote homophobia, xenophobia and Islamophobia

Kowtow to Putin, snuggle up to dictators and attack our loyal allies

Stage the most dangerous roll-back of women's rights in our history

Enable forced birthers and their war on Roe and Planned Parenthood

Bash the planet and serve as a perpetual pom-pom boy for fossil fuels fat cats

Trample the Constitution, the Civil Rights Act and the separation of church and state

Us vs Them is the only thing he knows and it's how he defines "winning"

And rockloper is absolutely right -- The only things worse than Trump are his supporters.

minder

So unbelievably and tragically accurate.

And I also agree with rockloper that even worse than the person who currently occupies the oval office are those who support the damage he is doing.

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