Cursive not as important as proponents say

Since the impeachment hearings occurred at a most holy time of year, let us examine scripture to discern what we are really dealing with here.

We have listened to endless hours of testimony from a wide-ranging cast of characters, various ambassadors, members of Congress, even the man in the street. And it all boils down to this: Who is telling the truth, and who is lying?

Christ had a problem with some men known as the Pharisees, who claimed God as their father (John 8:41) yet would not accept his teaching. Verses 42 through 47 render a picture we can use as a takeaway today:

“… if God was your father, you would love me for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own but he who sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.” (New International Version)

Ed Kappesser

Sandy Creek

Johnson Newspapers 7.1

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(12) comments

rockloper

There's nothing like using the totally circular reasoning of the bible to defend tRump. Not that I needed anymore affirmation but this letter justifies me being an atheist and tRump hater.

CondervstismIsFaiure

We live in a secular society with separation of Church & State, a book written by Men over 2000 years ago has no place in a impeachment hearing.

Keep your religion out of our government - Matthew 22:21

Holmes -- the real one

Good quote, CondervstismIsFaiure --

My impression, for what it's worth, is that Ed Kappesser wanted to be able to say something profound, and having nothing, he seized on quoting from the Bible.

Locating the "prove me guilty" bit in the text, the reasoning might have progressed something like this: Trump's call was "perfect" (he said so), and he's "innocent" (he said so), and Jesus was "perfect" and "innocent" --- people didn't believe Jesus and they don't believe Trump, so it must all be as scripture says.

This kind of thinking is representative of a particular type of formal thought disorder -- i.e. these 2 subjects tangentially touch one another, therefore they must be related (example: Mr. Rogers and Mr. Coffee -- because they're both Mr.).

Unsurprisingly, reasoning of this type makes the person exquisitely vulnerable to conspiracy theories and general manipulation, particularly as

1) The individual using this thinking strategy rarely thinks for himself, choosing rather to assume a "safe," curated opinion, one that is popular and supported within his tribe.

2) The choice of this line of reasoning is usually made by those who employ an "emotional" logic in their everyday lives. Something on the order of, "That thing feels right to me; when I have that feeling, I know I'm right."

rdsouth

The parallel is obvious. Christ, like Trump, was an individual. The Pharisees, like Congress, are a group. Therefore, whenever a group disagrees with an individual the individual is right.

zeitgeist

The reason they do not hear is because FOX News, GOP politicians and evangelical leaders have sown suspicion and fear in them. The suspicion and fear have effectively annihilated their religious beliefs and scriptural and moral sensibilities. They are left with a culture, alone, that is consumed with preserving what they perceive as a crumbling and threatening social order. Immigrants, Muslims, Jews, people of color, pluralism, anti-nationalism, etc., terrify them. America's has to be closed, white and Christian or they're dead.

Nice_Commenter

Reminder that Trump is not Christian, has never gone to Church on Easter and he met his third wife at a Jeffrey Epstein party. If any religious people wonder why their pews are mostly empty on Sunday ask yourself if most of the parishioners supported Stormi Daniels’s boyfriend to be president. Trump’s election should be seen as a massive failure of Christianity in America. Trump openly admitted trying to abort Tiffany

Halljon

One big difference between what witnesses said during the impeachment hearing and what Trump and his supporters are saying is that the hearing witnesses were testifying under oath (to God if you prefer). If Trump is so sure he is being truthful than he should not be afraid to say it or let others say it under oath.

Newsjunkie39a

Ohhhhhh-kayyyy.

And. . . . . ?

Holmes -- the real one

'We Hate To Do This, But Trump Isn't Telling The Truth'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyC3E-kD9aQ

Nice_Commenter

That’s what I am trying to discern, does he mean Trump is telling the truth? Dear God, help us. Trump started his campaign with the racist lie that Obama was born in Kenya. Only fools believe anything Trump says, regardless of the Bible.

Holmes -- the real one

Nice_Commenter --

Yes, the letter itself certainly is odd.

And absolutely, the analogy that the writer is trying to draw is quite peculiar.

Ed Kappesser brings up a passage that discusses Jesus' provocative confrontation of the Pharisees (a Jewish ultra orthodox sect that prided itself on having a superior righteousness due to its scrupulous observance of the Jewish law).

In other of the gospels (Matthew 23:13-27, Mark 12:35-40, Luke 20:45-47) we find other examples where Jesus confronted the Pharisees about their conspicuous hypocrisy.

The basic issue of these confrontations is Jesus' exposure of the Pharisees' pretense of having special holiness outwardly while demonstrating that their inward state was just the opposite.

Wikipedia discusses Jesus's rebukes as, "the seven woes," and that can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woes_of_the_Pharisees

We all know that telling lies is not good.

We have ample evidence that Trump is a pathological liar.

Although the concept of pretense basically characterizes the "Trump persona," this does not include any pretense of scrupulous holiness or special piety (that's Pence's realm).

Holmes -- the real one

Matt. 7:7

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/atrocities-1-to-111?fbclid=IwAR2ME7FAzolVQOqBSnDEl4sbbNscyaBlycjxvXX6UO7FkNmZfYKR-irj1B8

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/14/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days/

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/

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